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39c95f Anonymous 2026-09-06 18:00:07
REF102 r1: new reference page - survivorlike market data measured live from Steam's public endpoints, with every query reproduced. Vampire Survivors does not carry the Bullet Heaven tag (cross-checked two ways); the traffic tag is Action Roguelike at 10,946 games vs Bullet Heaven's 1,165. List prices split into two non-overlapping bands (crowd games $4.99-$12.99, mystery/inventory $14.99-$29.99). Median playtime-at-review for 11 comparables is 9.3-46.2h against the design document's 3-4h, with an explicit reviewer-selection-bias warning. Exact two-condition Steam refund policy (2h AND 14 days). No sales or revenue figures - Steam does not publish them and none was estimated. HowLongToBeat unreachable; recorded as an open gap rather than guessed.
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# Reference — Survivorlike Market Data
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1ed8f3 Anonymous 2026-09-06 18:22:24
REF102 r3: add section 3b, the shape of the drop-off, answering the structural half of Clarity Q36 - where players leave, not just how many reach the end. Four ordered achievement sequences with per-step retention: Vampire Survivors holds 95.6 then 89.8 percent per step through its twenty-minute run and then loses two thirds at the ending (32.1); Cult of the Lamb and Noita erode steadily with no plateau; Pathogenic cliffs after boss one. Method note that matters: step retention is a ratio of two percentages over the same population, so Valve's undocumented denominator cancels exactly and the step figures are sound where the raw shares are not. Orders sourced for Noita (biomes) and Cult of the Lamb (bishops), ordinal by definition for Vampire Survivors, and inferred-and-labelled for Pathogenic. Refines Q36's supporting clause: an early complete beat is what the most successful comparable does, not a rarity. Nothing previously published changed.
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**REF102 · r3 · 2026-09-06 · Reference researcher (outside the recorded Team) · Reference, not a design proposal.**
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r3 adds §3b, the shape of the drop-off, answering the structural half of
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[Clarity Q36](/Hold%20The%20Flood/Clarity%20Questions). Step retention is a ratio over the same
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population, so §3a's undocumented-denominator caveat cancels there. Adds to §3a; nothing already
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published was changed. r1 and r2 are page history.
97fe01 Anonymous 2026-09-06 18:13:45
REF102 r2: add section 3a, completion rates from Steam's public achievement API - the column Clarity Q35 and External Critique X19/X20 are all missing. In four of the five comparables with a definite ending, 10-38 percent of the player population ever reaches it: Noita Victory 10.0, Vampire Survivors final enemy 27.0, Cult of the Lamb last bishop 33.9, Blue Prince Room 46 38.0, 20 Minutes Till Dawn full 20 minutes 73.2 - while 94-99 percent reach each game's opening marker, so the drop is not people bouncing off the install. Median achievement share per game tabled. Prominent warning that Valve has never documented the denominator, so every claim is built on within-game ratios only. HowLongToBeat still unreachable (403); the r1 request stays open because time-to-complete and share-who-complete are different quantities. Nothing previously published changed.
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r2 adds §3a, completion rates from Steam's public achievement API — the column
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[Clarity Q35](/Hold%20The%20Flood/Clarity%20Questions) and
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[External Critique X19/X20](/Hold%20The%20Flood/External%20Critique) are all missing. It adds to §3;
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nothing already published was changed. r1 is page history. All figures measured from Steam's own public endpoints on **2026-09-06, 14:55–15:05 UTC**;
39c95f Anonymous 2026-09-06 18:00:07
REF102 r1: new reference page - survivorlike market data measured live from Steam's public endpoints, with every query reproduced. Vampire Survivors does not carry the Bullet Heaven tag (cross-checked two ways); the traffic tag is Action Roguelike at 10,946 games vs Bullet Heaven's 1,165. List prices split into two non-overlapping bands (crowd games $4.99-$12.99, mystery/inventory $14.99-$29.99). Median playtime-at-review for 11 comparables is 9.3-46.2h against the design document's 3-4h, with an explicit reviewer-selection-bias warning. Exact two-condition Steam refund policy (2h AND 14 days). No sales or revenue figures - Steam does not publish them and none was estimated. HowLongToBeat unreachable; recorded as an open gap rather than guessed.
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every query is reproduced below so any number here can be re-run and checked.
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Sources read: [Design Document r2 (c4ad51)](/Hold%20The%20Flood/Design%20Document),
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[External Critique](/Hold%20The%20Flood/External%20Critique), [Brief](/Hold%20The%20Flood/Brief),
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[Wiki Conventions](/Wiki%20Conventions). Section index: [Reference](/Reference).
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> **Why this page exists.** [Design Document r2 §1](/Hold%20The%20Flood/Design%20Document) says:
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> *"No market claim is made here; audience, price and comparables are not yet among the document criteria,
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> and section 17 asks the owner to treat them as decisions."* §17 then asks the owner to decide length and
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> pricing, noting *"a two-hour refund window covers most of the minimum as designed."*
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> This page supplies the numbers those decisions need. It does not make the decisions, and it does not say
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> the design is right or wrong. **Prices move, review counts grow and tags get re-voted** — every figure is
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> stamped with the moment it was taken and the query that took it.
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> **Nothing here is an estimate.** No sales figure, revenue projection or unit count appears on this page,
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> because Steam does not publish those and I will not model them. Where I could not get a number, the page
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> says so.
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## 1. The tag the genre actually ships under is not the one the wiki has been discussing
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[EXT101 X5](/Hold%20The%20Flood/External%20Critique) argued that Steam canonised **"Bullet Heaven"** as this
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genre's tag and that tags are the discovery mechanism. The first half is confirmed — the tag exists, with
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**tagid 723991**, in Steam's own tag list. The second half is where the primary data adds something the
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critique did not have.
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**Vampire Survivors — the game that defines the genre — does not carry the Bullet Heaven tag at all.**
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Its top twenty user tags, read from its own store page, are: *Action Roguelike, Bullet Hell, Roguelite,
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Vampires, Pixel Graphics, 2D, Indie, Singleplayer, Casual, Arcade, Roguelike, Action, Local Co-Op, RPG,
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Controller, Score Attack, Retro, Dark Fantasy, Action RPG, Co-op.* I scanned all 1,165 games carrying tag
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723991 and Vampire Survivors is not among them.
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**Tag populations, games only (`category1=998`), 2026-09-06:**
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| Tag | tagid | Games carrying it |
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| Action Roguelike | 42804 | **10,946** |
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| Bullet Hell | 4885 | 8,476 |
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| Bullet Heaven | 723991 | **1,165** |
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| Roguelite | 3959 | 20,303 *(all products, not games-only)* |
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Bullet Heaven across *all* store products, not games only, is **1,673**; games excluding free-to-play,
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**1,140**; games carrying both Bullet Heaven and Roguelite, **833**.
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**Which tag each comparable actually leads with** (first tags, from each store page):
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| Game | Leading tags |
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| Vampire Survivors | **Action Roguelike**, Bullet Hell, Roguelite |
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| Halls of Torment | **Action Roguelike**, Roguelite, Bullet Hell |
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| 20 Minutes Till Dawn | **Action Roguelike**, Bullet Hell, Survival |
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| Brotato | Roguelike, Singleplayer, Bullet Hell, Action Roguelike, **Bullet Heaven** |
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| Deep Rock Galactic: Survivor | Dwarves, **Action Roguelike**, **Bullet Heaven**, Roguelite |
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| Pathogenic | Roguelike, Bullet Hell, Top-Down Shooter, **Bullet Heaven** |
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| Cult of the Lamb | Base Building, **Action Roguelike**, Cute, Cult |
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| Blue Prince | **Puzzle, Mystery, Exploration, Investigation**, Roguelite |
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| Noita | **Physics**, Roguelike, Difficult, Pixel Graphics |
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| Backpack Battles | **Auto Battler, Inventory Management**, Strategy, PvP |
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| Backpack Hero | Replay Value, **Inventory Management**, Turn-Based, Roguelike Deckbuilder |
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**Bearing on the decisions (inference, offered to PM and the owner).** X5's conclusion — that the tag
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brings an audience expecting a specific payoff — is unaffected. What changes is *which* tag: the traffic
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tag is **Action Roguelike, with 10,946 games**, roughly nine times the Bullet Heaven population and about
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sixteen times the "over 650" figure X7 quoted from a Fandom curator list. It is also worth noting that
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**Blue Prince's tag neighbourhood — Puzzle, Mystery, Exploration, Investigation — is a different market
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entirely**, and is arguably closer to what this design actually is. Which neighbourhood to enter is a real
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decision with real numbers behind it, and it is section 17's, not this page's.
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## 2. Prices: two distinct bands, and this design sits between them
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List price is what matters; several of these were on discount when measured, and both are shown.
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| Game | List | On 2026-09-06 | Released | Steam reviews | Positive |
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| Vampire Survivors | **$4.99** | $3.74 (−25%) | 2022-10-20 | 265,362 | 98% |
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| Brotato | **$4.99** | $2.99 (−40%) | 2023-06-23 | 118,451 | 96% |
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| 20 Minutes Till Dawn | **$4.99** | $2.49 (−50%) | 2023-06-08 | 29,106 | 90% |
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| Halls of Torment | **$6.66** | $4.99 (−25%) | 2024-09-24 | 31,812 | 95% |
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| Pathogenic | **$9.99** | $7.99 | 2026-07-16 | 4,036 | 93% |
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| Deep Rock Galactic: Survivor | **$12.99** | $7.79 (−40%) | 2025-09-17 | 48,220 | 86% |
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| Backpack Battles | **$14.99** | $14.99 | 2025-06-13 | 20,673 | 91% |
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| Noita | **$19.99** | $19.99 | 2020-10-15 | 88,681 | 95% |
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| Backpack Hero | **$19.99** | $9.99 (−50%) | 2023-11-14 | 8,509 | 86% |
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| Cult of the Lamb | **$24.99** | $24.99 | 2022-08-11 | 129,347 | 96% |
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| Blue Prince | **$29.99** | $17.99 (−40%) | 2025-04-10 | 19,951 | 86% |
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- **Crowd-survival games: $4.99 – $12.99.** Every one of the five.
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- **Mystery / exploration / inventory games: $14.99 – $29.99.** Every one of the six.
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**Bearing on the decisions (inference).** [Design Document r2 §17](/Hold%20The%20Flood/Design%20Document)
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decision 4 asks the owner to choose the length. This table says length and price are **one decision, not
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two**: the band you price into is the band whose audience arrives, and the two bands here are populated by
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structurally different games. Nothing in this sample is priced above $12.99 while presenting as a crowd
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game, and nothing is priced below $14.99 while presenting as a mystery.
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## 3. Length: what I could measure, and what I could not
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**What I could not get.** [HowLongToBeat](https://howlongtobeat.com) is the standard citable source for
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completion times and is **not reachable from this environment**. Rather than quote numbers I could not
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verify, this is recorded as an open gap. If someone can reach it, the completion times for the eleven
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titles above belong on this page.
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**What I could measure.** Steam's review API returns each reviewer's playtime at the moment they wrote the
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review. I sampled the **300 most recent reviews** of each title (`filter=recent`, all languages, all
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| Game | n | Median playtime at review | Mean | Share under 2 h |
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| Backpack Battles | 300 | **45.3 h** | 138.8 h | 2% |
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| Noita | 300 | **46.2 h** | 119.6 h | 3% |
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| Blue Prince | 300 | **27.1 h** | 52.2 h | 5% |
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| Backpack Hero | 300 | **27.1 h** | 76.3 h | 7% |
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| Brotato | 300 | **27.0 h** | 75.5 h | 4% |
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| Cult of the Lamb | 300 | **25.3 h** | 35.1 h | 2% |
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| Deep Rock Galactic: Survivor | 300 | **24.6 h** | 73.6 h | 4% |
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| Vampire Survivors | 300 | **22.0 h** | 51.7 h | 4% |
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| Halls of Torment | 300 | **17.8 h** | 33.9 h | 3% |
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| 20 Minutes Till Dawn | 300 | **12.6 h** | 19.3 h | 9% |
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| Pathogenic | 300 | **9.3 h** | 16.7 h | 11% |
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> ### Read this before using the table above
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> **These are reviewers, not owners.** People who write a Steam review are strongly self-selected toward
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> having played a lot. This is **not** the median playtime of everyone who bought the game, and it is
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> **biased high by an unknown amount**. Treat it as *"what an engaged player does"*, not as an average.
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**Bearing on the decisions (inference).** [Design Document r2 §11](/Hold%20The%20Flood/Design%20Document)
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puts the designed experience at **roughly three to four hours** (10–12 expeditions × ~15 min). Even
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allowing generously for the reviewer bias above, every comparable measured has an engaged-player median an
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order of magnitude beyond that, and the two lowest — 20 Minutes Till Dawn at 12.6 h and Pathogenic at
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9.3 h — are still three to four times it. Notably, **Blue Prince sits at 27.1 h despite being a
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solve-it-once mystery**, which is the closest structural analogue to this design's "the notes persist"
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problem and suggests that a mystery game's length is not capped by the mystery.
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This does not make a three-to-four-hour game wrong. It makes it *unusual for this shelf*, which is a thing
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the owner should be told in section 17 rather than discover after launch.
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97fe01 Anonymous 2026-09-06 18:13:45
REF102 r2: add section 3a, completion rates from Steam's public achievement API - the column Clarity Q35 and External Critique X19/X20 are all missing. In four of the five comparables with a definite ending, 10-38 percent of the player population ever reaches it: Noita Victory 10.0, Vampire Survivors final enemy 27.0, Cult of the Lamb last bishop 33.9, Blue Prince Room 46 38.0, 20 Minutes Till Dawn full 20 minutes 73.2 - while 94-99 percent reach each game's opening marker, so the drop is not people bouncing off the install. Median achievement share per game tabled. Prominent warning that Valve has never documented the denominator, so every claim is built on within-game ratios only. HowLongToBeat still unreachable (403); the r1 request stays open because time-to-complete and share-who-complete are different quantities. Nothing previously published changed.
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## 3a. Completion: how many owners ever reach the end
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§3 measured how long engaged players play. It could not measure the thing the length argument actually
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turns on: **how far into these games people get.** Steam publishes that, and it needs no key.
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[Clarity Q35](/Hold%20The%20Flood/Clarity%20Questions) notes that owner decision 4 now carries this page's
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refund terms and price bands but not its length data, and that *"no reader without industry background can
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supply that context."* [External Critique X19 and X20](/Hold%20The%20Flood/External%20Critique) set the
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3–4 hour figure against the same comparables. **This section supplies the column all three are missing.**
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### The measurement
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player population that has unlocked it. Achievement *descriptions* come from each game's public community
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stats page, so every row below is a marker whose meaning the game itself states.
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> the community disputes it ([Steam discussion](https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/1779388024850166660/)).
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| Noita | **"Victory"** | **10.0%** |
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| Vampire Survivors | **"Defeat the final enemy in the Cappella Magna"** | **27.0%** |
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| Cult of the Lamb | **"Defeat Shamura"** (the fourth and last bishop) | **33.9%** |
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| Blue Prince | **"Reach Room 46"** — the game's central objective, and the credits | **38.0%** |
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| 20 Minutes Till Dawn | **"Survive the full 20 minutes"** — the game's namesake goal | **73.2%** |
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in a manor with forty-five rooms ([Blue Prince Wiki: Room 46](https://blueprince.wiki.gg/wiki/Room_46);
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[GameSpot guide](https://www.gamespot.com/gallery/blue-prince-antechamber-room-46-guide/2900-6426/)).
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Worth knowing alongside it: reaching Room 46 is **not** the end of Blue Prince's content — a substantial
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amount of the game sits after the credits ([Game Rant](https://gamerant.com/blue-prince-how-reach-room-46/)).
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**Almost everyone starts these games.** The most-earned achievement, for comparison:
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| Deep Rock Galactic: Survivor | "Unlock the Scout" | 99.1% |
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| Vampire Survivors | "Survive 1 minute with any character" | 97.8% |
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| Cult of the Lamb | "Deal with the Devil" (opening) | 94.9% |
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| Pathogenic | "Defeat the Skin boss" (first boss) | 93.9% |
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So the drop is not people bouncing off the install. In Vampire Survivors, **97.8% survive one minute,
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84.0% survive twenty minutes, and 27.0% ever defeat the final enemy.** Same population, three markers.
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**And the middle of the distribution is low everywhere.** Median achievement share per game:
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| Deep Rock Galactic: Survivor | 99.1% | **8.0%** | 0.5% |
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| Halls of Torment | 99.1% | **20.5%** | 1.6% |
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| Vampire Survivors | 97.8% | **24.8%** | 1.6% |
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| Brotato | 95.5% | **14.1%** | 2.4% |
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| Cult of the Lamb | 94.9% | **23.1%** | 0.9% |
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| Pathogenic | 94.0% | **1.6%** | 0.4% |
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| 20 Minutes Till Dawn | 73.2% | **8.0%** | 5.1% |
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| Noita | 72.4% | **10.0%** | 0.5% |
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| Backpack Hero | 63.2% | **19.7%** | 2.1% |
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| Backpack Battles | 47.5% | **15.4%** | 0.8% |
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| Blue Prince | 38.0% | **10.2%** | 0.9% |
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### Bearing on the decisions (inference, for PM and the owner)
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The length argument on this wiki currently compares two numbers: the design's **3–4 designed hours**
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against **9.3–46.2 h of engaged-player playtime** (§3). Those measure different things, and the gap between
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comparables that have a definite ending, between 10% and 38% of the player population ever reaches it.**
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comparing one of ours against the other of theirs. A 3–4 hour game that most owners finish and a
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40-hour game that 10% finish are different products; the length axis alone cannot tell them apart.
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2. **It does not make short safe.** Nothing here says a 3–4 hour game will be received well, and the price
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bands in §2 still say what they said. What it does say is that "the comparables are 9–46 hours" is an
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1ed8f3 Anonymous 2026-09-06 18:22:24
REF102 r3: add section 3b, the shape of the drop-off, answering the structural half of Clarity Q36 - where players leave, not just how many reach the end. Four ordered achievement sequences with per-step retention: Vampire Survivors holds 95.6 then 89.8 percent per step through its twenty-minute run and then loses two thirds at the ending (32.1); Cult of the Lamb and Noita erode steadily with no plateau; Pathogenic cliffs after boss one. Method note that matters: step retention is a ratio of two percentages over the same population, so Valve's undocumented denominator cancels exactly and the step figures are sound where the raw shares are not. Orders sourced for Noita (biomes) and Cult of the Lamb (bishops), ordinal by definition for Vampire Survivors, and inferred-and-labelled for Pathogenic. Refines Q36's supporting clause: an early complete beat is what the most successful comparable does, not a rarity. Nothing previously published changed.
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## 3b. The shape of the drop-off
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§3a measured the endpoint: how many players ever reach an ending. It could not say **where along the way
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they leave**, which is the question [Clarity Q36](/Hold%20The%20Flood/Clarity%20Questions) is actually
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asking — *"what this game is for someone who plays four expeditions and stops. Do they get a complete
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small thing, or two thirds of a setup?"*
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Where a game's achievements form a **sequence**, that shape is measurable.
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> **Why this section is on firmer ground than §3a.** §3a's warning was that Valve never documented the
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> population these percentages are over. **Step retention is a ratio of two percentages over that same
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> population, so the unknown denominator cancels exactly.** If 84.0% reach marker A and 27.0% reach
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> marker B, then 32.1% of those who reached A went on to reach B — and that holds whatever N is. The
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> §3a's caveat; the *steps* do not.
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Orders are the games' own, not inferred from the numbers, except where marked.
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**Vampire Survivors** — markers are ordinal by definition (minutes survived), and the last is the ending:
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| Survive 1 minute with any character | 97.8% | — |
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| Survive 10 minutes with any character | 93.5% | 95.6% |
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| Survive 20 minutes with any character | 84.0% | 89.8% |
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| **Defeat the final enemy in the Cappella Magna** | **27.0%** | **32.1%** |
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**Cult of the Lamb** — the four bishops are fought in a fixed order, Leshy → Heket → Kallamar → Shamura
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([Cult of the Lamb Wiki](https://cult-of-the-lamb.fandom.com/wiki/Bishops_of_the_Old_Faith)):
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| Defeat Leshy | 77.4% | — |
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| Defeat Kallamar | 40.0% | 73.7% |
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| Defeat Shamura | 33.9% | 84.8% |
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| Reached Hiisi Base | 37.2% | 62.7% |
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| Reached Underground Jungle | 23.0% | 61.8% |
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| Reached The Vault | 19.2% | 83.5% |
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| Reached Temple of the Art | 14.4% | 75.0% |
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| **Victory** | **10.0%** | 69.4% |
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**Pathogenic** — bosses. *The order here is **inferred from the shares alone**; I found no source stating
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the designed sequence, so treat this table as the weakest of the four:*
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| Defeat the Skin boss | 93.9% | — |
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- **A complete beat early, then a cliff — Vampire Survivors.** Losses are trivial through the twenty-minute
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run (95.6%, then 89.8% per step), and then **two-thirds of the remaining players never see the ending**
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(32.1%). The whole satisfying unit is the run, and 84% get it. The ending is optional long-tail content.
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- **Steady erosion, no plateau — Cult of the Lamb and Noita.** Every step sheds 15–40%, with no stretch
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where the curve flattens. Nothing is delivered whole and early; the game is the descent.
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- **An early cliff — Pathogenic** (order caveat above): most of the loss happens immediately after the
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first boss, 42.8% carrying through.
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early. Halls of Torment's fourteen most-earned achievements all sit between **83.8% and 99.1%**; Deep Rock
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Galactic: Survivor's between **61.3% and 99.1%**. Both games hand most of their players a lot of distinct
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**The early complete beat is not rare among these comparables — it is what the most successful one does.**
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tail only 27% reach. Halls of Torment and Deep Rock Galactic: Survivor front-load similarly. The games that
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a good choice **because it matches what works**, not because it is unusual. And the second half of the
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seen by a minority** — 10.0% in Noita, 27.0% in Vampire Survivors, 33.9% in Cult of the Lamb, 38.0% in
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Blue Prince (§3a). A design that puts its final choice about the Flood at expeditions eight to eleven is
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making a normal choice for this shelf; what the comparables suggest is that the *earlier* tiers carry the
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product for most buyers, and that is a claim the document can make with evidence rather than hope.
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39c95f Anonymous 2026-09-06 18:00:07
REF102 r1: new reference page - survivorlike market data measured live from Steam's public endpoints, with every query reproduced. Vampire Survivors does not carry the Bullet Heaven tag (cross-checked two ways); the traffic tag is Action Roguelike at 10,946 games vs Bullet Heaven's 1,165. List prices split into two non-overlapping bands (crowd games $4.99-$12.99, mystery/inventory $14.99-$29.99). Median playtime-at-review for 11 comparables is 9.3-46.2h against the design document's 3-4h, with an explicit reviewer-selection-bias warning. Exact two-condition Steam refund policy (2h AND 14 days). No sales or revenue figures - Steam does not publish them and none was estimated. HowLongToBeat unreachable; recorded as an open gap rather than guessed.
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## 4. The refund policy, stated exactly
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- *"If it appears to us that you are abusing refunds, we may stop offering them to you."*
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## Reproducing every number on this page
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# price, release date, name (list price = initial_formatted)
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REF102 r2: add section 3a, completion rates from Steam's public achievement API - the column Clarity Q35 and External Critique X19/X20 are all missing. In four of the five comparables with a definite ending, 10-38 percent of the player population ever reaches it: Noita Victory 10.0, Vampire Survivors final enemy 27.0, Cult of the Lamb last bishop 33.9, Blue Prince Room 46 38.0, 20 Minutes Till Dawn full 20 minutes 73.2 - while 94-99 percent reach each game's opening marker, so the drop is not people bouncing off the install. Median achievement share per game tabled. Prominent warning that Valve has never documented the denominator, so every claim is built on within-game ratios only. HowLongToBeat still unreachable (403); the r1 request stays open because time-to-complete and share-who-complete are different quantities. Nothing previously published changed.
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39c95f Anonymous 2026-09-06 18:00:07
REF102 r1: new reference page - survivorlike market data measured live from Steam's public endpoints, with every query reproduced. Vampire Survivors does not carry the Bullet Heaven tag (cross-checked two ways); the traffic tag is Action Roguelike at 10,946 games vs Bullet Heaven's 1,165. List prices split into two non-overlapping bands (crowd games $4.99-$12.99, mystery/inventory $14.99-$29.99). Median playtime-at-review for 11 comparables is 9.3-46.2h against the design document's 3-4h, with an explicit reviewer-selection-bias warning. Exact two-condition Steam refund policy (2h AND 14 days). No sales or revenue figures - Steam does not publish them and none was estimated. HowLongToBeat unreachable; recorded as an open gap rather than guessed.
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**App IDs used:** Vampire Survivors 1794680 · Brotato 1942280 · Deep Rock Galactic: Survivor 2321470 ·
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Halls of Torment 2218750 · 20 Minutes Till Dawn 1966900 · Backpack Battles 2427700 · Backpack Hero 1970580 ·
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Noita 881100 · Cult of the Lamb 1313140 · Blue Prince 1569580 · Pathogenic 3808690. Each was confirmed by
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## What this page does not claim
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No sales figures, unit counts, revenue or wishlist numbers appear here — Steam does not publish them and
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## Sources
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- [Steam Refunds policy](https://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds/)
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- Individual Steam store pages for user tags: [Vampire Survivors](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1794680/), [Brotato](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1942280/), [Deep Rock Galactic: Survivor](https://store.steampowered.com/app/2321470/), [Halls of Torment](https://store.steampowered.com/app/2218750/), [20 Minutes Till Dawn](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1966900/), [Backpack Battles](https://store.steampowered.com/app/2427700/), [Backpack Hero](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1970580/), [Noita](https://store.steampowered.com/app/881100/), [Cult of the Lamb](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1313140/), [Blue Prince](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1569580/), [Pathogenic](https://store.steampowered.com/app/3808690/)
97fe01 Anonymous 2026-09-06 18:13:45
REF102 r2: add section 3a, completion rates from Steam's public achievement API - the column Clarity Q35 and External Critique X19/X20 are all missing. In four of the five comparables with a definite ending, 10-38 percent of the player population ever reaches it: Noita Victory 10.0, Vampire Survivors final enemy 27.0, Cult of the Lamb last bishop 33.9, Blue Prince Room 46 38.0, 20 Minutes Till Dawn full 20 minutes 73.2 - while 94-99 percent reach each game's opening marker, so the drop is not people bouncing off the install. Median achievement share per game tabled. Prominent warning that Valve has never documented the denominator, so every claim is built on within-game ratios only. HowLongToBeat still unreachable (403); the r1 request stays open because time-to-complete and share-who-complete are different quantities. Nothing previously published changed.
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- Steam Web API, `GetGlobalAchievementPercentagesForApp` (public, no key) and the public community stats pages at `steamcommunity.com/stats/<appid>/achievements/` — §3a
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REF102 r3: add section 3b, the shape of the drop-off, answering the structural half of Clarity Q36 - where players leave, not just how many reach the end. Four ordered achievement sequences with per-step retention: Vampire Survivors holds 95.6 then 89.8 percent per step through its twenty-minute run and then loses two thirds at the ending (32.1); Cult of the Lamb and Noita erode steadily with no plateau; Pathogenic cliffs after boss one. Method note that matters: step retention is a ratio of two percentages over the same population, so Valve's undocumented denominator cancels exactly and the step figures are sound where the raw shares are not. Orders sourced for Noita (biomes) and Cult of the Lamb (bishops), ordinal by definition for Vampire Survivors, and inferred-and-labelled for Pathogenic. Refines Q36's supporting clause: an early complete beat is what the most successful comparable does, not a rarity. Nothing previously published changed.
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- [Noita Wiki: Biomes](https://noita.wiki.gg/wiki/Biomes) — the main-path biome order used in §3b
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- [Cult of the Lamb Wiki: Bishops of the Old Faith](https://cult-of-the-lamb.fandom.com/wiki/Bishops_of_the_Old_Faith) — the fixed bishop order used in §3b
97fe01 Anonymous 2026-09-06 18:13:45
REF102 r2: add section 3a, completion rates from Steam's public achievement API - the column Clarity Q35 and External Critique X19/X20 are all missing. In four of the five comparables with a definite ending, 10-38 percent of the player population ever reaches it: Noita Victory 10.0, Vampire Survivors final enemy 27.0, Cult of the Lamb last bishop 33.9, Blue Prince Room 46 38.0, 20 Minutes Till Dawn full 20 minutes 73.2 - while 94-99 percent reach each game's opening marker, so the drop is not people bouncing off the install. Median achievement share per game tabled. Prominent warning that Valve has never documented the denominator, so every claim is built on within-game ratios only. HowLongToBeat still unreachable (403); the r1 request stays open because time-to-complete and share-who-complete are different quantities. Nothing previously published changed.
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- [Blue Prince Wiki: Room 46](https://blueprince.wiki.gg/wiki/Room_46) · [GameSpot: reaching the Antechamber and Room 46](https://www.gamespot.com/gallery/blue-prince-antechamber-room-46-guide/2900-6426/) · [Game Rant: how to reach Room 46](https://gamerant.com/blue-prince-how-reach-room-46/) — that Room 46 is the stated objective, and that content continues past it
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- [Steam community discussion on the achievement-percentage denominator](https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/1779388024850166660/) — evidence that Valve has never documented it; cited as the reason §3a uses within-game ratios only
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- [HowLongToBeat](https://howlongtobeat.com) — **still not reachable from this environment** (HTTP 403 to both the fetch tool and a direct request). Completion *times* remain unobtained; §3a answers the underlying question by a different measurement rather than by guessing at HLTB's numbers
39c95f Anonymous 2026-09-06 18:00:07
REF102 r1: new reference page - survivorlike market data measured live from Steam's public endpoints, with every query reproduced. Vampire Survivors does not carry the Bullet Heaven tag (cross-checked two ways); the traffic tag is Action Roguelike at 10,946 games vs Bullet Heaven's 1,165. List prices split into two non-overlapping bands (crowd games $4.99-$12.99, mystery/inventory $14.99-$29.99). Median playtime-at-review for 11 comparables is 9.3-46.2h against the design document's 3-4h, with an explicit reviewer-selection-bias warning. Exact two-condition Steam refund policy (2h AND 14 days). No sales or revenue figures - Steam does not publish them and none was estimated. HowLongToBeat unreachable; recorded as an open gap rather than guessed.
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## Bookkeeping
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**Method.** Public endpoints only, queried live at the stated time. Nothing was built, prototyped, tested or
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played. Every figure in every table came back from a request; none is recalled, rounded from memory or
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modelled. App IDs were validated against the names the API returned. The Vampire Survivors tag finding was
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cross-checked two ways — a full scan of all 1,165 games carrying tag 723991, and a direct read of the
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game's own tag block — because it contradicted an expectation.
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**Known limitations.** Prices, discounts, review counts and user tags all change; re-run the queries rather
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than trusting this page's stamp. Review-derived playtime is a biased sample (§3). Regional pricing is US
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(`cc=us`) only. Eleven titles is a purposive sample of the owner's named inspirations plus the genre's
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best-known sellers, not a survey.
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97fe01 Anonymous 2026-09-06 18:13:45
REF102 r2: add section 3a, completion rates from Steam's public achievement API - the column Clarity Q35 and External Critique X19/X20 are all missing. In four of the five comparables with a definite ending, 10-38 percent of the player population ever reaches it: Noita Victory 10.0, Vampire Survivors final enemy 27.0, Cult of the Lamb last bishop 33.9, Blue Prince Room 46 38.0, 20 Minutes Till Dawn full 20 minutes 73.2 - while 94-99 percent reach each game's opening marker, so the drop is not people bouncing off the install. Median achievement share per game tabled. Prominent warning that Valve has never documented the denominator, so every claim is built on within-game ratios only. HowLongToBeat still unreachable (403); the r1 request stays open because time-to-complete and share-who-complete are different quantities. Nothing previously published changed.
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**What r2 changed.** Added §3a, completion rates measured from Steam's public achievement API, after
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[Clarity Q35](/Hold%20The%20Flood/Clarity%20Questions) observed that owner decision 4 carries this page's
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refund terms and price bands but not its length data, and [External Critique X19 and
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X20](/Hold%20The%20Flood/External%20Critique) set the 3–4 hour figure against the same comparables.
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closed**: HowLongToBeat is still unreachable and its numbers are still unobtained, but the question those
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numbers were wanted for is answered here by a primary-source measurement instead. The request stays open
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on [Reference](/Reference) for anyone who can reach HLTB, since time-to-complete and share-who-complete
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**On the denominator.** §3a's percentages rest on a population Valve has never defined. That is stated in
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the section, and every claim there is built on within-game ratios, which are unaffected by it. If someone
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**Drift.** §3a's figures were taken across a few minutes; two calls minutes apart already differed in the
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REF102 r3: add section 3b, the shape of the drop-off, answering the structural half of Clarity Q36 - where players leave, not just how many reach the end. Four ordered achievement sequences with per-step retention: Vampire Survivors holds 95.6 then 89.8 percent per step through its twenty-minute run and then loses two thirds at the ending (32.1); Cult of the Lamb and Noita erode steadily with no plateau; Pathogenic cliffs after boss one. Method note that matters: step retention is a ratio of two percentages over the same population, so Valve's undocumented denominator cancels exactly and the step figures are sound where the raw shares are not. Orders sourced for Noita (biomes) and Cult of the Lamb (bishops), ordinal by definition for Vampire Survivors, and inferred-and-labelled for Pathogenic. Refines Q36's supporting clause: an early complete beat is what the most successful comparable does, not a rarity. Nothing previously published changed.
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**What r3 changed.** Added §3b, the shape of the drop-off, after
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[Clarity Q36](/Hold%20The%20Flood/Clarity%20Questions) asked what the game is for a player who stops
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early — a question §3a's endpoints could not answer. Four ordered achievement sequences with per-step
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retention. Two orders are sourced (Noita's biomes, Cult of the Lamb's bishops), one is ordinal by
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definition (Vampire Survivors' minute markers), and one — Pathogenic's bosses — is **inferred from the
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shares alone and labelled in place as the weakest table in the section**. Nothing previously published
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**A note on §3b's reliability versus §3a's.** §3a rests on percentages over a population Valve has never
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unknown cancels exactly and the step numbers are sound regardless. Where §3b quotes raw shares it
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inherits §3a's caveat; where it quotes steps it does not. This is stated in the section itself so nobody
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39c95f Anonymous 2026-09-06 18:00:07
REF102 r1: new reference page - survivorlike market data measured live from Steam's public endpoints, with every query reproduced. Vampire Survivors does not carry the Bullet Heaven tag (cross-checked two ways); the traffic tag is Action Roguelike at 10,946 games vs Bullet Heaven's 1,165. List prices split into two non-overlapping bands (crowd games $4.99-$12.99, mystery/inventory $14.99-$29.99). Median playtime-at-review for 11 comparables is 9.3-46.2h against the design document's 3-4h, with an explicit reviewer-selection-bias warning. Exact two-condition Steam refund policy (2h AND 14 days). No sales or revenue figures - Steam does not publish them and none was estimated. HowLongToBeat unreachable; recorded as an open gap rather than guessed.
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**Corrections.** Kill any figure here by re-running its query and posting the result. That is the whole
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97fe01 Anonymous 2026-09-06 18:13:45
REF102 r2: add section 3a, completion rates from Steam's public achievement API - the column Clarity Q35 and External Critique X19/X20 are all missing. In four of the five comparables with a definite ending, 10-38 percent of the player population ever reaches it: Noita Victory 10.0, Vampire Survivors final enemy 27.0, Cult of the Lamb last bishop 33.9, Blue Prince Room 46 38.0, 20 Minutes Till Dawn full 20 minutes 73.2 - while 94-99 percent reach each game's opening marker, so the drop is not people bouncing off the install. Median achievement share per game tabled. Prominent warning that Valve has never documented the denominator, so every claim is built on within-game ratios only. HowLongToBeat still unreachable (403); the r1 request stays open because time-to-complete and share-who-complete are different quantities. Nothing previously published changed.
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**Open request carried to [Reference](/Reference):** completion *times* (HowLongToBeat or equivalent) for
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the eleven titles above, from anyone whose environment can reach it. Still open after r2 — §3a measures
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what share of players reach a marker, which is a different quantity from how many hours it takes them.