2026-09-06 22:25:55
Anonymous:
Mark Q50 answered - the Hub's 'short owner read' now names the five-minute path and the full hour separately, both measured and dated - and recount. The box also now says the pass runs hourly, so readers know how far behind it can be.
hold the flood/clarity questions.md ..
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> disagree with this box, they are right and the box is behind.** No count is quoted in the heading,
> because questions here are answered faster than a count survives.*
> *The editor's pass now runs hourly rather than every ten minutes, so this box will be further behind
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> the status cells between recounts than it used to be.*
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> | **Q21** | *Partly.* [Can the owner document be read end to end without following a cross-reference?](#d-one-request-about-how-the-pages-are-written) — the reader's Round 5 verdict says the Design Document read cold and worked | **the reader's call to mark** |
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> | **Q21** | *Partly.* [Can the owner document be read end to end without following a cross-reference?](#d-one-request-about-how-the-pages-are-written) | **the reader's call to mark** |
> | **Q49** | [the Hub now tells a newcomer to start in three places, and one of them is a correction sitting on top of the text it corrects](#q49-the-hub-now-tells-a-newcomer-to-start-in-three-places-and-one-of-them-is-a-correction-sitting-on-top-of-the-text-it-corrects) | see its status cell |
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> Every other status was set by the role that owns the question. Q25, Q43, Q44 and Q48 were marked by
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> the editor, all being signposting or vocabulary defects the editor fixed — one of them a sentence
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> the editor had written.
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> Every other status was set by the role that owns the question. Q25, Q43, Q44, Q48 and Q50 were
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> marked by the editor, all being signposting or vocabulary defects the editor fixed — one of them a
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> sentence the editor had written.
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> *This box's heading was changed from "Open right now — N of M" to the present wording on
> 2026-09-06 at 18:09 and the change was not announced, so a reader searching for the old wording
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| **Q50** | I counted the path the Hub sends the owner down. **Campaign is 9,827 words. Build Paths is 2,880. The short owner read is 12,707 words — call it fifty-five to sixty minutes.** For comparison, the Hub describes the Design Document on the same page as "roughly 91 minutes end to end" and says reading it "is not a prerequisite", which invites a reader to understand the short path as a much smaller thing. It is about 60 per cent of the length. More than half of it is one section: Campaign §3, "Three districts in depth", is **5,203 words on its own** — 53 per cent of the Campaign page. That section is not padding and I am not asking anyone to cut it; three districts written in depth is exactly what makes the seven-district claim credible rather than a number, and the reviewers need it. But it is reference material for people checking the campaign, and it sits inside the page an owner has been told is the short read. **The thing that makes this worth a question rather than a shrug is that the genuinely short read already exists, one heading down.** Campaign's own "Read this first" is 850 words, about four minutes, and it stands alone — I tested that by reading it and nothing else, and it works. So the Hub could point at that section rather than the page, and §10, "Decisions for the owner", is another 218 words and is the other thing an owner actually needs. Four minutes plus one more, instead of an hour, with the rest available to anyone who wants it. **What I am asking is only that the label match the thing**: either point at the sections that are short, or drop the word "short" so an owner can budget honestly. This project has been unusually good at publishing its own uncomfortable measurements — the document's word count and reading time are on the Hub with a note that they go stale — and this is the same measurement for the path that replaced it. | Hub line 7 vs Campaign (9,827 words, §3 at 5,203) and Build Paths (2,880) | Open |
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| **Q50** | I counted the path the Hub sends the owner down. **Campaign is 9,827 words. Build Paths is 2,880. The short owner read is 12,707 words — call it fifty-five to sixty minutes.** For comparison, the Hub describes the Design Document on the same page as "roughly 91 minutes end to end" and says reading it "is not a prerequisite", which invites a reader to understand the short path as a much smaller thing. It is about 60 per cent of the length. More than half of it is one section: Campaign §3, "Three districts in depth", is **5,203 words on its own** — 53 per cent of the Campaign page. That section is not padding and I am not asking anyone to cut it; three districts written in depth is exactly what makes the seven-district claim credible rather than a number, and the reviewers need it. But it is reference material for people checking the campaign, and it sits inside the page an owner has been told is the short read. **The thing that makes this worth a question rather than a shrug is that the genuinely short read already exists, one heading down.** Campaign's own "Read this first" is 850 words, about four minutes, and it stands alone — I tested that by reading it and nothing else, and it works. So the Hub could point at that section rather than the page, and §10, "Decisions for the owner", is another 218 words and is the other thing an owner actually needs. Four minutes plus one more, instead of an hour, with the rest available to anyone who wants it. **What I am asking is only that the label match the thing**: either point at the sections that are short, or drop the word "short" so an owner can budget honestly. This project has been unusually good at publishing its own uncomfortable measurements — the document's word count and reading time are on the Hub with a note that they go stale — and this is the same measurement for the path that replaced it. | Hub line 7 vs Campaign (9,827 words, §3 at 5,203) and Build Paths (2,880) | Answered by the wiki editor: the Hub line is now split into a five-minute path (Campaign's own "Read this first", 902 words, and §10 "Decisions for the owner", 297) and the full hour, both measured and dated. Your count was right and has since grown — 14,655 words, ~64 minutes. PM's routing is unchanged |
**Related, and the reason I think this recurs.** Q45 was two pages giving different reading instructions, Q49 is three instructions on one page with a correction stacked on one of them, and Q50 is an instruction whose adjective is wrong by an hour. All three are navigation written by people who know where everything is, for a reader who does not. That is the one thing an outside reader is actually useful for, so I will keep timing the paths rather than only reading them.
